[Bioclusters] Fwd: [GE users] SGEEE is opensource, opensource, please repeat with me...

[Ron Chen]

Just want to let everyone knows that SGEEE is also
opensource.

 -Ron

--- hanzl@noel.feld.cvut.cz wrote: 
> Sorry to repeat this old topic, but I see this
> happen again and again:
> 
>  PEOPLE THINK THAT SGEEE IS NOT OPENSOURCE !
> 
> And some of them get upset and it is hard to explain
> them that they
> are mistaken. I spent quite big effort on
> beowulf@beowulf.org to make
> this clear but confused people arise again and
> again.
> 
> Please:
> 
> - If you can find more suitable places where to put
> bold label
>   "SGEEE is OPENSOURCE", please do it
> 
> - Kindly verify my explanation below - I did not
> intend to send a copy
>   here but later I realized that maybe I was too
> speculative, so please
>   check that my claims are true.
> 
> Thanks a lot
> 
> Vaclav Hanzl
> 
> ------- one of my beowulf posts - please verify my
> claims: -----------
> 
> Subject: Re: sun grid engine?
> From: hanzl
> To: kus@free.net
> Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:12:03 +0100
> 
> > May be it's integrated into SGE 5.3 Enterprise
> Edition ? I said about
> > *free* SGE 5.3. Both "Sun ONE Grid Engine
> Administartor and User's Guide"
> > and "Sun ONE Grid Engine Release Notes" don't have
> just the word "MAUI".
> > Moreover, the only sheduler algorithm allowed in
> usual
> > (free) SGE 5.3 is "standard" (see SGE
> Administrator & User's guide, p.225).
> 
> It is easy to get confused by SGE versions.
> 
> Enterprise Edition is also free. MAUI was integrated
> with it - most of
> this work was done by MAUI team with help from SGE
> team.
> 
> Regarding SGE versions, I think it works as follows:
> 
> 1) Developers create opensource SGE version. They
> work using publicly
> available CVS software repository. All new features
> come to this
> version.
> 
> This opensource version is both "SGE" ans "SGE
> Enterprise Edition" -
> the difference is just an instalation option. You
> install both using
> the same files, you may compile both using the same
> sources from the
> CVS archive.
> 
> 2) 'Commercial' part of SUN takes these sources
> (probably without any
> important changes) and compiles 'commercial' SGE and
> SGEEE. They add
> word 'ONE' to the name. They create nice manuals.
> You can buy this
> software and get usual support you expect for
> commercial software.
> You can still download the manuals for free. Just
> skip word 'ONE'
> while reading them - they are perfectly usable for
> free SGE as well.
> They just may be out of date because the free
> version already has new
> features (like MAUI integration). They may also
> never mention MAUI
> integration because the 'commercial' part of SUN has
> no support for
> it.
> 
> 
> All this is just too nice to believe it so people
> often get confused.
> 
> Note that it probably quite differs from PBS/OpenPBS
> development model
> - I am no expert on PBS (experienced experts, please
> correct me if I
> am wrong!) but I think that commercial PBS and
> OpenPBS are split and
> the development team has quite hard times deciding
> what to do - they
> introduce new features to commercial branch to make
> it more attractive
> (to make any money on it) but in the same time
> similar features are
> wanted in the OpenPBS version. They themselves
> created their own enemy
> on the market (OpenPBS) and now they are not sure
> how to behave to it
> - support it as their child? Kill it as their enemy?
> 
> 
> Even if	I am wrong in my thoughts on PBS (and I may
> easily be wrong as
> it is a long time I left PBS maillists) I am pretty
> sure many PBS
> users percieve it like this (as I got few quite few
> emails from them
> indicating this).
> 
> PBS is older than SGE (and yes, PBS did many good
> things, no doubt)
> and everybody knew PBS when opensource SGE was born.
> And many people
> could easily expect that SGE used the same model as
> PBS did. (It was
> easy to think that SGE EE is the commercial version
> - no, it is not.)
> 
> SGE did not use the same model as PBS. It used more
> open one. And this
> choice was huge success I think.
> 
> ...
> 
> Regards
> 
> Vaclav
> 
> 
> ---- one more example of confusion -------
> 
> Subject: Re: sun grid engine?
> From: Alan Scheinine <scheinin@crs4.it>
> To: Beowulf@beowulf.org
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:33:09 +0100
> 
> I see "Vaclav" posted a message.  Last week we began
> the installation
> of SGE and someone involved with the installation
> said that in order
> to have the options of sgeee it is necessary to buy
> that version.
> Using grep on the messages I had saved, I found the
> message from
> Vaclav from the year 2001 showing how to convert sge
> to sgeee.
> In 2001 Vaclav said that the information was at the
> end of the
> download page, now it is in a readme file in the
> distribution.
> In any case, the note from Vaclav in 2001 proved to
> be useful also
> in 2003, the file is easily overlooked if the system
> administrator
> does not know it can be done.  By the way, the file
> is
>  <your SGE directory hierarchy
> root>/README.inst_sgeee
> Alan
> 
> ---- I think Alan means this my old note:  -----
> 
> Subject: SGEEE easily mistaken as commercial version
> From: hanzl@noel.feld.cvut.cz
> To: dev@gridengine.sunsource.net,
> beowulf@beowulf.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:22:40 +0200
> 
> Prospective SGE users could very easily be mistaken
> and suppose that
> Enterprise Edition is a commercial close source
> version. If you
> download the three tarfiles from "Binary Downloads"
> page, unpack them
> and look around, you will install non-EE version.
> There is no way to
> find easily (from unpacked files) that you could
> install EE. The pdf
> manual will tell you about EE features but your
> instalation is missing
> them. No hint at all that EE is also opensource.
> 
> This IMHO seriously harms the SGE project and should
> be corrected as
> soon as possible by including inst_sgeee script in
> tar files.
> 
> Potential SGE users and opensource co-developers are
> likely to know
> PBS, which exists in both opensource and commercial
> version. During SGE
> test-install many of them will be systematically
> driven into false
> assumption that SGE project is organised the same.
> 
> I wish all the best to Veridian and PBS and
> everybody making free
> versions of commercial software. This setup of
> things however
> inevitably makes opensource users to assess danger
> that core
> developement team will be torn between opensource
> and commercial
> version support, will be reluctant to port
> commercial version fixes to
> opensource version (cause it takes time) and will be
> unable to
> integrate opensource-community created patches cause
> without knowledge
> of the commercial version source these patches will
> diverge.
> 
> It is very sad to have these worries about SGE by
> mistake.
> 
> 
> Only after lot of hacking around I found that all
> you have to do to
> install EE is to rename inst_sge to inst_sgeee (and
> it behaves
> accordingly). Only after this I looked around once
> more and found this
> at the bottom of binary download page:
> 
>  Only for Grid Engine Enterprise Edition you have to
> make slight modifications:
>  % cd $SGE_ROOT 
>  % ln -s inst_sge inst_sgeee 
>  % replace inst_sge with inst_sgeee in the last line
> of the files install_qmaster and install_execd 
>  Then you can proceed as with the standard Grid
> Engine installation. 
> 
> Well, you may say it is my fault not to notice this
> before. Sure it is
> but I think this fault is quite common and harms SGE
> a lot. It is
> worth it to include inst_sgeee in tar files now as
> many Beowulf
> maillist readers might be prompted by recent SGE
> discussions to go and
> try SGE - and maybe forget about it if they make the
> same mistake as I
> did.
> 
> 
> With all the best wishes to SGE team (and thanks for
> all the work done
> so far)
> 
> Vaclav
> 
> 
> 
>
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