Hi Randy, I've got no additional clue on your Motif issues. My comment about X11 SDK mainly came from me trying to figure out what may be different about my local configurations versus what you are using. That was the only think I could come up with. It may be worth comparing between ourselves where we each got Motif from. I've used precompiled motif binaries from the web and I've also used openmotif from fink successfully in the past. Anyway I'll contact you off-list for the followup binary and messages so as to keep the sge-motif-osx traffic down a bit on this list! Regards, Chris