On Sep 7, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Dan Bolser wrote: > Timothy Driscoll wrote: >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Dan Bolser wrote: >>> How much spam gets through the members list? (Or is this an >>> 'anyone can post' list?) >>> >> howdy, >> this list is live-moderated (which means a moderator must approve >> every message before it is broadcast, and every subscription >> request before it is activated). our policy is that only >> subscribers are allowed to post. occasionally, we will allow a >> relevant post from a non-subscriber; however, this is strongly >> discouraged because it is extra work for the moderators. >> especially since... >> the amount of spam sent to the list has risen dramatically in the >> past few months. fortunately, such messages are manually >> identified and discarded before they hit the list, so nobody is >> the wiser (except the moderators, who like to complain about that >> sort of thing ;-). > > So if I understand correctly, the spam spoofs the identity of > people on the list in order to get round the 'members only' > restriction? > no, this has never happened (not yet, at least). it is spam from non- subscribers that is sent to the list address. (recall that if an email address is available anywhere on the Web, it can be spammed.) so generally, we discard any posting from a non-subscriber. I can not recall ever receiving spam from the spoofed email of a list subscriber. this is why we request that you subscribe before posting. otherwise, it is extra work for us to actually read your message before broadcasting it. > If this is the case, you could simply ask people to moderate their > own posts by generating an email to the sender allowing them to > confirm that they really did want to post something to the list. If > the reply address of the email is different from the apparent > sender address, then you can simply kill the mail and send a > notification to the reply address. > this is not necessary as of the current setup; moderation lets us tell the 'real' posts from the spam - and eases the burden on the poster. > > Anyway, the point I am coming round to is that I don't like > moderated lists ;-) > no worries; I sympathize. > I think they put people off posting. I am sure there are 10's of > people ready to reply immediately saying that they are not put off > posting by moderators, but is is just those people who are put off > who are the least likely to reply. > > Maybe this extra layer of security would only reduce posting still > further, but clicking 'reply/send/delete' would not be much harder > than clicking 'delete' on the existing 'your email is in a queue' > auto reply. moderation is the only thing between you (all list subscribers) and another 4-6 spam messages per day. :-) in this case, it is the least intrusive method for keeping the list spam-free. keep in mind that we do not moderate for content - in fact, it is the rare message from a subscriber that I read before broadcasting. usually we can tell from the sender and subject line if it is a real post or spam. hopefully that puts your mind at ease somewhat. ;-) best, tim