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<A href="mailto:RWherry@xchange.com" title=RWherry@xchange.com>Richard
Wherry</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
class=762490718-06072000>Looks very interesting.</SPAN><SPAN
class=762490718-06072000> <SPAN class=268475018-06072000>It c</SPAN>ould
be used as a framework for the <SPAN
class=268475018-06072000>G</SPAN>estalt components which could be individual
data manipulation programs (for example).</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=762490718-06072000>As you and
Brad have suggested, I think it's a strong
possibility.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
class=762490718-06072000>I'd be interested in hearing the opinion of someone
who has a more concrete idea of the goals of Gestalt System than myself.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I look forward to hearing from Tim and Karsten
about how useful Piper might be in achieving the goals of Gestalt. (I
appreciate your reply too, Richard :-))</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=762490718-06072000>If I
had a dataset consisting of continuous variables and categorical variables
sitting on a machine somewhere and wanted to compute averages for all
continuous variables and frequencies for all categorical variables, how would
this be accomplished?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Brad replied to this part of your message, but
I'll add that you may want to take a closer look at Overflow, one of the
collaborating projects:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://freespeech.sourceforge.net/FreeSpeech/html/Overflow/home.html">http://freespeech.sourceforge.net/FreeSpeech/html/Overflow/home.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Overflow is a very fast, low-level, ``data flow''
system that operates on a local host. It can be said that the goal of
Piper is to distribute instances of Overflow around the Internet.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Overflow forms the basis of Piper. All
Piper nodes are either Overflow nodes or they are programs that are wrapped by
Overflow. It may be that it can be extended to manipulate data the way
the Gestalt wants to, if it can not already.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=762490718-06072000>It
brings to mind Clementine from SPSS - at least in the "Work Flow Diagram"
sense.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're very observant. Clementine was
actually the inspiration for Piper's WFD (formerly part of The Loci Project
and now part of the Pied/Piper UI). You may also be interested in
Cerebellum:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.cerebellumsoft.com/product/designer.html">http://www.cerebellumsoft.com/product/designer.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But, so far, the only person to take on the
responsibility of database integration (doing mining, manipulation, etc.) with
Piper is Brad, and he is already over-extended and over-worked.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I mentioned in my first message, Piper is a
collaborative between 4 relatively independent projects: BlueBox, Loci, GMS,
and Overflow. All 4 projects are complementary, and we respect the code
base of each (at least Brad keeps reminding me of that ;-) -- inside
joke). Our reason for collaborating is, as appears in the Gestalt
Manifesto, that this project is too large for one or two developers to take
on. Perhaps, if it fits in with Gestalt's goals, Gestalt can be the 5th
collaborator and take on the task of database access, as well as some
aspects of data manipulation and transfer...? Let me know what you
think.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jeff</FONT></DIV>
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