> So, if Khoros is much older, I guess we can say that Piper is like an Open > Source Khoros work-alike :-) But I think we can continue to innovate, improve > upon the concepts, and add features, like contemporary P2P capabilities. In your place I'd not care much whether it is older or not or whether it exists or suchlike. In real life the question is not who was first but who was first to put a thing into common practice. Linux is the rererere.....incarnation of Unix, but nevertheless, being free it became everybody's friend and devoured pretty much all of its older non free peers. Free Software is also very much about putting technologies into common practice and as such free stuff in the long run eats up proprietary stuff. Thus work put into piper is work well spent for sure. Just my 2 cents.... ======================================================================= "It was hell. They knew it. Karl-Max Wagner But they called it karlmax at oberland.net W-I-N-D-O-Z-E" ham radio: DB8CO *********Member of No Code International********* ***********Visit http://www.nocode.org*********** ********Membership Number NCI-2563-DB8CO********* _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . "Et ceterum censeo ut Microsoftem delendum esse" (Cato, adapted) "Quo usque tandem abutere nostra patientia ?" (Cicero, original) =======================================================================