> I agree completely. The existence of UNIX (even BSD UNIX) did not deter Linus ....and the existence of Linux didn't deter the xBSD people from advancing their projects, so that by now we have not only one, but four production quality OS's to choose from. > from developing Linux, and it is a Good Thing that it did not. Plus, I think > we have many good ideas that do not exist anywhere else. Jeff I think the best thing with piper is the least obvious and most abstract: AFAIK piper is the first time pretty diverse projects found out that they had a lot of overlap and joined in solving the overlapping problems together. This is truly astounding, because, not using hindsight, it required thinking on a level of high abstraction from all those participating to find that out. This led to a state of hight modularization in the project which is already paying off: more projects now are joining in ( lately we got Narval on board, for an example ). Here some crazy idea from the area of mathematics: coupling some symbolic mathematics package with the piper UI engine it should be possible to draw up mathematical relationships as block diagrams and then automatically manipulate them to one's heart content using the underlying symbolic mathematics package. For lack of a better term, let's call that formula compilation. The graphical entry is a high level representation of the mathematical relationship, the actual formula something like assembly code which is automatically generated, processed and optimized to provide what is desired. Woudn't that relieve us from the drudgery of low level formula handling and lift mathematics to a new level of abstraction ? Just food for thought...... Anyway, due to our stuff being free, we are also free to do things in ways and apply our stuff in ways we see fit. This is a luxury closed solutions lack. On the long run this is evolution at work: among many contenders those with the most mileage and the best abilities to join up with others for the common advantage just make the race and leave the others in the dust on the long run. Simply biology at work.... BTW, could someone enlighten me on how all those projects found each other to constitute piper ? Just curious..... ======================================================================= "It was hell. They knew it. Karl-Max Wagner But they called it karlmax at oberland.net W-I-N-D-O-Z-E" ham radio: DB8CO *********Member of No Code International********* ***********Visit http://www.nocode.org*********** ********Membership Number NCI-2563-DB8CO********* _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . "Et ceterum censeo ut Microsoftem delendum esse" (Cato, adapted) "Quo usque tandem abutere nostra patientia ?" (Cicero, original) =======================================================================