From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr Fri Nov 16 08:03:02 2001 From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:39:23 2006 Subject: [Pipet Users] Re: Yet Another Jade question :( In-Reply-To: <01111520151401.03472@eng024> Message-ID: Hi John, Hi Piper-Folks, On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, John Peter Tapsell wrote: > Oh, and totally offtopic, have a look at http://130.88.226.85/projects and > http://130.88.226.85/projects/paper.txt for info about my project to > replace the GNU utils.. :) > > JohnFlux I saw that on discuss@linuxdoc.org, looks a lot alike the ideas we had when we begun with Narval[1] and a lot alike the ideas that were at the source of Piper[2] :-) 1: http://www.logilab.org/narval/ 2: http://www.bioinformatics.org/piper/ -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o? est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From tapselj0 at cs.man.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 20:40:55 2001 From: tapselj0 at cs.man.ac.uk (John Peter Tapsell) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:39:23 2006 Subject: [Pipet Users] Re: Yet Another Jade question :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01111701405501.00982@eng024> On Friday 16 November 2001 13:03, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Hi John, > Hi Piper-Folks, > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, John Peter Tapsell wrote: > > Oh, and totally offtopic, have a look at http://130.88.226.85/projects > > and http://130.88.226.85/projects/paper.txt for info about my project > > to replace the GNU utils.. :) > > > > JohnFlux > > I saw that on discuss@linuxdoc.org, looks a lot alike the ideas we had > when we begun with Narval[1] and a lot alike the ideas that were at the > source of Piper[2] :-) > > 1: http://www.logilab.org/narval/ > 2: http://www.bioinformatics.org/piper/ They both seem pretty cool. piper seems to be a project to have a pipe equivalent for gui objects - although it seems to need every program to be written with support for it. I'm not sure narval is - even after skimming most of the documentation - the front page says "NARVAL features cutting-edge artificial intelligence" and that it would "become the ubiquitous dedicated intelligent personnal assistant we've all been longing for during the dark ages of dumb computing" hmm Anyway, neither conflict or overlap with my project, but I'm looking forward to going over these and seeing how they are implemented. Thanks :) JohnFlux From jeff at bioinformatics.org Mon Nov 19 11:38:23 2001 From: jeff at bioinformatics.org (J.W. Bizzaro) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:39:23 2006 Subject: [Pipet Users] Re: Yet Another Jade question :( References: <01111701405501.00982@eng024> Message-ID: <3BF9357F.24C6D450@bioinformatics.org> John Peter Tapsell wrote: > > They both seem pretty cool. piper seems to be a project to have a pipe > equivalent for gui objects - although it seems to need every program to be > written with support for it. No, this is actually something we've tried to avoid over the years. Programs, files, etc., do not need to be modified. Piper uses meta-data, such as MIME types, in XML. These data are only "attached" to pre-existing programs, files, etc. They are not incorporated. > Anyway, neither conflict or overlap with my project, but I'm looking forward > to going over these and seeing how they are implemented. I think that some of your XML descriptions of input/output are a bit like ours. Cheers. Jeff -- J.W. Bizzaro jeff@bioinformatics.org Director, Bioinformatics.Org http://bioinformatics.org/~jeff "As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously." -- Benjamin Franklin -- From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr Mon Nov 19 06:45:01 2001 From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:39:24 2006 Subject: [Pipet Users] Re: Yet Another Jade question :( In-Reply-To: <01111701405501.00982@eng024> Message-ID: > I'm not sure narval is - even after skimming most of the documentation - the > front page says "NARVAL features cutting-edge artificial intelligence" and > that it would "become the ubiquitous dedicated intelligent personnal > assistant we've all been longing for during the dark ages of dumb computing" Never mind that, it's auto-congratulation talk that describes what Narval longs to be, not what it currently is. Narval is a framework ( language + IDE ) dedicated to the development of intelligent agents. At the moment, it's similar to a forward chaining rule system (except that some rules are chained explicitely, blended with a high-level components scripting language. In *my* opinion, Narval is the way of the future, but I'm probably not the best person to be impartial about it ;-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o? est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From valj01 at gel.usherb.ca Thu Nov 22 00:56:15 2001 From: valj01 at gel.usherb.ca (Jean-Marc Valin) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:39:24 2006 Subject: [Pipet Users] Overflow 0.6.0 released Message-ID: <3BFC937F.3050306@gel.usherb.ca> We're pleased to announce the release version 0.6.0 of Overflow (http://freespeech.sourceforge.net/overflow.html), aka Open Mind Speech base, aka Piper PL. You can download it from sourceforge at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=590 This release brings a number of important improvements: - Many, many improvements to the gnome GUI (copy/paste, tooltips, bug fix, ...) - C++ code generator (generated code can now be compiled on Win32) - Basic networking support - Improved debugging - Speed improvements (also, auto-detection of 3DNow! and SSE) - Overflow "shell scripts" (#! files) - Lots of fixed bugs - Big code cleanup and simplification (warning, this breaks some minor things) There are also good news for the project. Overflow has been adopted by InfoSpace Speech Solutions for implementing part of a speech recognition engine and should ship in a future version of the product. Note, I (Jean-Marc) work for InfoSpace. Overflow is now also used in the mobile robotics lab at University of Sherbrooke and a robot control toolbox is soon to be released! There is now an on-line survey on SourceForge. Tell us what you think about Overflow at: http://sourceforge.net/survey/survey.php?group_id=590&survey_id=11967 Jean-Marc Valin