That's a really good question. I am also going to assume there's as many answers as there are list subscribers. In our case: I am the Sr. Unix sysadmin for our entire area (this encompasses the dept of Physiology, but also the Human & Molecular Genome Center, Bioinformatics Center, and a few other areas). My primary role and area of expertise, is the Unix sysadmin side. My job is to get the operating environment up and running for our researchers, to KEEP it running, and to do all the standard sysadmin "stuff": maintenance, patches, security, etc etc. Under my belt are dozens of servers-- several standalone systems, database servers, app servers, misc servers, development environments, and we have Solaris, AIX, and Linux to boot. A little bit of everything. In the case of our clusters, my role is getting it running- that translates to the operating system and tools (example: LAM-MPI in one case). I will also facilitate getting the applications installed (compiled, built, distributed, etc). Tools like "systemimager" make the cluster deployment MUCH easier to manage..... For me, that's where it ends. I don't "use" the cluster, and in fact I don't possess the skills or 'scientific knowledge' to run those tools and to see if the results even make any sense. We have really smart users (you know, the types who all have multiple PhD's) who run the tools, and let me know if everything is OK or not. I monitor the cluster's use, resources, uptime, etc. As far as the number of people to manage the cluster environments- I think that's wholly dependant on the complexity of the number of tools and packages being run. But, your math outlined in your original post seems like a good rough estimate. --Kent C. Brodie Medical College of Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: bioclusters-bounces+brodie=mcw.edu at bioinformatics.org [mailto:bioclusters-bounces+brodie=mcw.edu at bioinformatics.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Dwan Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:51 AM To: compute informatics Clustering farming & distributed computing in life science Subject: [Bioclusters] Admins / node? Question on the state of the art in cluster management: Approximately what level of dedicated support do folks on this list have / wish you have for your clusters? Obviously, there are a lot of free variables, including but not limited to: * Does the support person also do development, parallelization, or otherwise *use* the cluster? * Do their other responsibilities come from the IT side or the research side (i.e: Are we dedicating half of a unix admin, or half of a postdoc?) * How many users are being supported, and to what level? Setting aside these and similar details that would make for valid, comparable numbers, my gut feel is that a reasonable guess is one half time IT person for the first fifty nodes or so. I think it scales logarithmically from there: So, go up to an entire full time person for 50 - 150, and add support staff incrementally as the cluster becomes more huge. -Chris Dwan _______________________________________________ Bioclusters maillist - Bioclusters at bioinformatics.org https://bioinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/bioclusters